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Why Friends of Cobbs Creek wants to restore the course

By Joe Logan
Published May 14, 2012

A few days after I posted History of Cobbs Creek GC: Uncovering a Treasure, an email landed from Hank Church, a regular reader of MyPhillyGolf and a longtime regular at Cobb’s Creek GC.

 

Hank, one of 40-plus members of the Cobb’s Creek men’s golf association who play the course year-round, had questions:  Okay, he wrote, Cobb’s is not in the greatest condition, but why would anybody want to sink money into restoring it to its original design? 

 

I told Hank what I knew, plus I forwarded his email to Mike Cirba, author of the History of Cobb’s Creek GC and leader of Friends of Cobb’s Creek, the group of golf course architecture enthusiasts and historians behind the push to restore the course.

 

Cirba, an information tech officer for a company in Allentown (and a Cobb’s semi-regular) knew these questions were out there, and he considers them understandable and reasonable.  A few days later, he copied me on his response to Hank.  Cirba agreed to let me to post his response, with minor editing.

 

Here it is:

 

Dear Hank,

 

Joe Logan was kind enough to forward your email regarding Cobb's Creek.   I wanted to answer your question, and I certainly appreciate your concerns.   All of us who formed "Friends of Cobb's Creek Golf Course" are public course golfers ourselves, and I can tell you that everyone involved in the project wants to ensure that the golf course remains affordable and available to the regulars who have supported the course over the years.   Certainly, there have been discussions about structuring fees in a way where city (and immediate surrounds) residents are given discounted rates.     

 

I think the reasons for restoring the old layout are simple.   At the time it was built it was known as the best public golf course in the country, and its reputation continued through the 20s, hosting the US Publinks tournament in 1928.   In the 1950s it was decided to locate an Air Missile defense base on the property, where the City Line Driving Range is today.   That loss of 15% of the total property acreage forced a re-routing into today's configuration.   Five of the very best holes were lost and their current versions are quite cramped in spots (and inferior to the originals)  due to the loss of width and overall acreage.   Whether we can convince everyone of that will have to be seen and judged by the ultimate results, but we have had world class architects on site who agree that the course has absolutely amazing potential, that the original routing was ingenious, and is very special.   The fact that some of the greatest architects in the history of the game collaborated on the original course (and very little else) makes it a historic treasure worth restoring, in my opinion.

 

More importantly, the status quo is not maintainable.   Due to the passage last June of the city's Stormwater Management Plan (an EPA requirement), SOMETHING is going to happen to the golf course along Cobb's Creek itself.   It can be very bad, and the potential is there to lose ALL of the creek holes.  

 

Given the history of flooding along the golf course, one of our biggest goals has been seeing a long-term fix to this situation.   Fortunately, the groups involved have been proactive in trying to work within the Philadelphia Water Department goals and guidelines in attempting to come up with a plan to achieve the goals of cleaner water, mitigated flooding, and creation of new wetland areas while preserving the golf features. 

 

The financial end of this was never my motivation, either, but with the present situation nobody is making money, including the city.   You have a decaying infrastructure (an irrigation system from the 50s), buildings in need of renovation, alienation from the neighborhood, practice facilities divorced from the main property, and a host of other issues.   This place could and should be a landmark for the city, and a destination spot.

 

Hope this helps...I'd be glad to answer anything else I can and hopefully you'll be hearing more details later this summer.

 

Very Best Regards,

Mike

 

 

 

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Paul Burns[5/25/2012 10:00:00 AM]
If the USGA gets behind this project or even interested in the project. It would go a long way. Remember Bethpage was exactly like Cobbs is today. The USGA and the State of NY got behind restoring Bethpage to its old glory. The USGA realized that there was a diamond under that dirt and the State of NY realized that there was an opportunity to make a dollar. Bethpage is a cash cow for the State of NY today. Cobbs has that potential too.
Mike Cirba[5/21/2012 4:02:01 AM]
I should also mention that I played the course late yesterday afternoon and the greens in particular were in really good shape. Yes, the rough is up a bit after recent rains, and the old, single-line irrigation system from the 50s today dictates fairways that are much too narrow but I played the ball down, made birdies on 6 and 8, shot 37 on the front nine, bogeyed 10 and 11 and headed in because the back nine was packed with players and I had an hour and a half drive home. While I would certainly like to see more investment in the golf course I can’t necessarily fault BCG with the current structural limitations. I can also tell folks that they have been very supportive of the efforts of Friends of Cobb’s Creek.
Mike Cirba[5/21/2012 3:57:37 AM]
I think it’s simply common sense that any major capitalization in the golf course would need to come with a significantly upgraded maintenance budget to protect that investment. No one wants to make an investment without it being part of an overall plan that does exactly that. As far as the 6th hole, who is suggesting that the steep rise be maintained as fairway? It never was historically...it was always rough. How is that any different from the steep rise from today’s 10th tee and how that area is maintained? And to answer the obvious question, no, not everyone would play from the back tees down below, although the carry is only about 150 yards to the top. Thanks for everyone’s interest.
Kyle Harris[5/20/2012 9:00:01 AM]
Mike Owsik: Knowing your background, I feel your comments are spot on. The equipment required to actually mow a restored 6th Fairway (and show any improvement) cost more than any of the cars in the parking lot on a daily basis. Someone is going to have be VERY creative in maintaining that property and keep costs down. Adam Dean: From what agronomic background are you able to make such authoritative statements regarding the decisions made by the Cobb’s Creek staff? What is "proper aeration?"
Adam Dean[5/19/2012 7:31:13 AM]
Well said, Mike. The current management company has recently ’maintained’ the golf course by ceasing to mow the rough, removing holes from the practice green (replaced with sticks), and failing to properly aerate the greens. The maintainence situation gets worse every day. They claim it’s ’budget cutbacks’ but the reality is that BCG just doesn’t care at all about golfers who play Cobbs Creek. They are a greedy bunch and driven by bottom line without any regard for their regular customers.
Mike Owsik[5/14/2012 4:19:23 PM]
I would love to see this renovation take place. I can’t imagine playing the old golf course with the equipment available at that time. My only concern is Who is going to maintain the golf course once the renovation is completed? Hopefully, its not the current management company. Even though the golf course is in need of major infrastructure upgrades, that is not cause for the current managment company to disregard maintaining the golf course. Once this renovation is complete, it will require at least 1.5 million yearly to maintain.


 
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